"There is no higher god than truth"
I listened to that one too. Very informative. I think I have a cartoon idea myself. It’s God looking down at a smaller Krauss. God says “Congratulations…. you’ve figured it out. Except for the insignificant part”.
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I watched it. He basically quoted his book .Almost word for word. It’s not difficult to dissect and see the flaws in his premise. I’ll just take one. He’s right that free will is not found in “original thought” (the one that pops up out of nowhere, and before). It’s found in every thought after that. Harris’s rendition is sad as well as wrong. Personal responsibility (which his premise destroys in scientific terms) is capable of building us up, or convicting us internally. There is a junction at every point in the thread of decision. You’ll find free will at all of them. No matter how you’ve been pre-programmed. Guilt, innocence and justice are simply the next layer and another topic.
I’ll have to watch that (even though it will probably make me ill). I did read his book on the subject. As I’ve said… reducing a thing to scientific terms does not nullify it. We do have free will. We live it all the time in a continuous flow of consciousness, and that can be deduced by reason and logic.. To think we are scientifically (and evolutionary) predetermined, and that’s all, is dangerous.
Catholicism = scandal, been that way since the start of their delusional religion!
The only difference between a drug and poison is the dosage!
A beautiful, eloquent speech. Delivered with passion and sincerity. A statement of belief impossible to refute.
Angela, was this a debate? Was there any kind of conclusion? Please let me know.
Can’t you make your point in less than 2 hours???
Mother Theresa was a friend of tyrants and oppressors. She hated the poor more than she hated poverty. That made her a candidate for beatification by the Catholic Church.
I attended this event in London. It was awesome. He and Christopher Hitchens made mincemeat of Ann Widdecombe and the bishop.
It’s a narcotic. The type you can overdose on and…
The Biblical position states that God is infinite (transcends beginning or end) and he has revealed Himself both in chronological time as well as how we relate to all of His physical creation (both as proof). It also states that we and all of creation have changed from His ideal to less than ideal, by our own volition. And we now pay the consequences (all that bad stuff that keeps getting talked about… that yes… we do). It’s up to us to understand all that and believe it or not believe it. We get the final choice, but it will be final at some point. Dat’ what it says.
But those do.
That’s one of the many things it says. Most of what it says doesn’t seem to stand up to scrutiny.
Christopher was certainly an anti theist, as well as an atheist. The, argument between the brothers isn’t over the existence of God, but whether God is good. This does seem to be the main position of evangelical atheists that God is bad rather than he/He exists. Apparently a divine being that makes universes has to ensure that everyone is happy in his universes to be regarded as real. I get the anti theist position of God being bad because he allows misery I don’t get why that makes him non existent. Let’s face it this is universe with unhappy people in it, if it were made by a conscious force, it certainly isn’t going to live up to Christopher Hitchens standards. The best arguments against God’s existence are : who made God and why doesn’t he show himself?
Neither. Reality is partially dperceived, partially shared, and partially created.
I would pay Chris Hitchens no mind
Poison? Or cure. Depends on the religion I would suspect…… Then I watched the video. My suspicions were confirmed. I think McGrath did a very good job. Hitchens did a good job too. But he was a little evasive and shows a shallow view of biblical Christianity (which I would expect from a man-centric mind-set). Have you watched the whole debate?
Peter is still with us. He is on Facebook. I asked if his faith was genuine or did he just think that Christianity was good for society. He says it is genuine. It hasn’t stopped him being a right misery.
absolutely correct could not agree more