I Wasn’t Interested in Being your “Friend”: A Girl’s Message to All Christians
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As a follower of Jesus Christ, I learned that love in its many defined (and some not so) forms, originate from Jesus’ perfect example. God sacrificed Himself in order to show what the deepest form of love truly is. Through His brief life on the planet, Jesus gave many examples of other forms of love, as well as all of the other human emotions. It proved that He understands us, and that He wanted us to understand Him. Now, I have never made it my business to “change” people, as I do not consider it loving to do so. You can’t ‘sell God to people.’ On the contrary, I live my life in acceptance of nearly all other faiths and non-faiths (there are very few exceptions), and expect that people will see from watching and interacting with me, that LOVE is a universal language.
B’Gosh Josh Klurg A very compassionate world view. I sincerely appreciate you sharing it with me. It’s not (unfortunately) a common interpretation of the bible, but in my rather insignificant opinion one of the wiser ones. If I may ask, have you always held this view? What (if I may ask) religion are you.
I so rarely get to enjoy, truly enjoy someone else’s view. I appreciate your having indulged me.
If I may respond yet in the best way I can… The Bible is a guideline which believers in its brand of God, such as myself, take to be the word of God, given through divine inspiration to its writers. It doesn’t say however how non believers are supposed to live, be judged, or to be condemned by us. It clearly tells us that it is our business in stead to love God and to love everyone here on this planet. It is not love to interpret this book in such a way as to cast doubt on the validity or legitimacy of other people’s cultures and traditions. Furthermore, it is also not a set of judgements condemning those who would choose not to accept it. I can say conclusively, that having studied my own beliefs and the Bible, that we have no sovereignty or dominion, no power or authority over other humans which would illegalize or illegitimize their beliefs. The only thing it says for believers in Christ Jesus to do is to talk about Him and be an example of love, without discrimination.
The Atheist Codex I apologize for misunderstanding your question. However, I thank you as well for your respect and open idealism. I speak with few people on the atheist side whom are tolerant enough to engage in civilized discussions with me on subjects such as these.
B’Gosh Josh Klurg I had just put this up. I’ll repost, because you remind me of the same minister…. https://www.facebook.com/theatheistcodex/photos/p.1338964672836916/1338964672836916/?type=3&theater
Matt Henson Well, when churches get tax exempt status, when they try to influence the government in ways based on their beliefs, that requires my intervention.
There are people who think the end times are near, and therefore we don’t have to worry about global warming. The Catholic Church considers itself as an organization more important then justice for children raped in its pews. Islamists want me dead, and number of Christians say I can’t marry another man because it’s prohibited in THEIR book of laws…
No, I think if religious people are going to try to tell me how I can live, what rights I have, they’re certainly not keeping their religion to themselves, and I have every intention of defending against it. Indeed, given there are so many crimes (from slavery to circumcision; the genital mutilation of children) which find warrant exclusively in religion, is it not my moral obligation to speak up?
B’Gosh Josh Klurg First of all, B’Gosh Josh Klurg thank you for your post. You remind me of a Greek Orthodox minister I know. He’s going to be writing a few essays for us. The first is on the topic of love. He and I talk about this a lot… So what you’re saying resonates with me. I’m looking for more religious voices on the Codex, so I cannot tell you how much I appreciate your coming here, and your gracious and respectful tone.
I do have a few questions, If you will indulge me…
I guess my first question would be… As a Christian, what does the Bible to you?
I respect and appreciate these responses. I’m also happy to answer any questions you may have if you are curious about how I came to believe in God as I do now.
You don’t get to tell others what they do or do not worship or believe. You don’t have any beliefs yourself so it should be pretty damn easy to keep them to yourself. Proselytizing atheists are one of the oddest and dumbest things that I have ever heard of.
As a follower of Christ you should realize that you worship that adult version of Santa Claus.
As a follower of Jesus you might want to convert to Judaism. Jesus was not a Christian.
I prefer small “c” christians over big “C” christians.
I agree with a lot of this and disagree with little of it but at least she’s growing as a Christian most likely
A perfect example of throwing out the baby with the bath water. Love is a decision. An action. Not a revelation. Jesus loved unconditionally but always spoke the hard truth. He healed and said go now and SIN no more. He did not say keep doing what your doing. Our job as Christians is to tell the good news. Not go forth and change people. Some will and some will not.
I have a few ministers in my close circle of friends… I was speaking to one recently about homosexuality…
Tony Oropallo I very much appreciate the sentiment. If this was the majority opinion, I would like theists a great deal more. As it is, however, it is not. But I think what is interesting is this concept that love is a decision if it is, it is one even a non-Christian can make. That for me is far more important than what religion a person does or does not claim.
Another cancerous click bait post.
Well, this girl is not an atheist. But I am, and yes, I am vocal about it.
God has nothing to do with being a good person. I’ve been an Atheist for over 50 years and wasn’t very vocal about it. many friends didn’t know that about me. I have religious friends and they knew I was an Atheist and they were still my friends. Fundamentalism in religion is what’s creates the problems.
It’s a video. You need to play the video. It’s about how she believes she was failing as a christian.
What is the point? You do not have to be mine or any one else friend. It is a volunteer position.
If you watch the video, she says that she was judging people. She was acting friendly, but wasn’t interested in being friends, she wanted to aggrandize herself.
Imagine (John Lennon)
I’m sorry. 23 seconds. Best I could do. I’m sure it was great.
Actually… I very much concur. I hate it when I am trying to read the news online, and they will only let me watch a video. I often try to read well my wife is asleep… If they force play a video, it wakes her up. However, this is a piece of art. But if I spent 4 minutes on every piece of art I found. Yes, I get it.
It’s a new way of communicating in these kinds of videos. It’s been around for awhile now, and frankly, I wish it would go away.
I don’t have time to sit there and wait for each note to come into focus while I listen to sub standard music.
We are going to have SO much fun, one bit at a time.
Have you ever had an argument with a “fan” of a particular movie or book? They never take well to a “non-fan” correcting them on a detail. Their identity is tied to an illusion of expertise. Same can go for any heavily biased perspective, but with a certain type of “Theist” it goes much deeper than conscious identity and into their understanding of themselves in what you might call eternal terms, their cosmic identity. If you put the notions underpinning that cosmic identity to the test it’s not likely that they will change the faulty ones when they can just presume that you have hostile spiritual intentions or are a fool that surely doesn’t know what they’re saying. This is far from universal among believers, but spiritual fanaticism by nature separates a person from God and all outsiders in favor of dogmatic adherence to what they know and have been taught. This can include atheists because Atheism is a spiritual statement of what you “know” about the cosmos and your place in it. In fact just by broadening the definition of “Atheist” to include everything “non-theist” as you have could run you into trouble with Atheist fanatics eventually that may disapprove of being shuffled in with Agnostics or fucking Deists, fergoddssake. Nobody likes muddy water. Folks prefer clear definition for themselves. Sadly all those clear definitions are constructs that don’t… Read more »
Joseph Yocco I was curious… Was about to ask, but then I saw the “more” link. I had another encounter with someone who is rather hostile about the fact I knew more about the Bible thing he did. He seemed rather suspicious – not that my knowledge was inaccurate, but why would an atheist know it… He seemed to think I was a bit dodgy…
That’s an awesome meme…Yes… I just went a few rounds with atheist earlier… He was quite convinced that there was only one set of 10 Commandments. He was rather skeptical of my claim that there were indeed several sets – and that the and Commandments could number as high as 25 depending on how you broke them up – religions had to shoehorn them into 10… I don’t mind people who don’t read the Bible, but if you’re truly claiming it’s what you believe in… Give me a break…
I noticed that. I’ve had fundamentalists outright rage quit on me when I walk them through the weird stuff. Even made a victory meme once.
They decided that Ecclesiastes wasn’t “divinely inspired” during a conversation about whether the soul of an aborted “person” wasn’t actually better off just going to heaven instead of facing possible damnation and certain suffering here.
Ch 4 vs 2-3 if you’re curious.
Nobody wants to touch this one, lol…