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For the Codex itself, Apologies, Critiques, and Positions will be split and re-sorted more appropriately, and most of the essays will be updated and revised.

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We appreciate your patience during the change.

Reason is the Devil’s greatest whore…
To be a Christian, you must pluck out the eye of Reason
~Martin Luther

 

 

Let’s start with a question.  It’s a simple yes or no question, but it’s a scary one; both frightening and yet breathtakingly simple. I’ve seen every kind of dodge to avoid answering it: it’s inconsequential, it won’t change anything, the premise behind it can never be known so why bother asking, even asking is a deep offence…  but stick with me, because this question immediately and definitively gets to the core of your moral and existential character.

The question is this: If God didn’t exist, would you want to know?

Now think about that honestly for a minute. Don’t worry, it’s not blasphemy, I’m not suggesting He doesn’t exist.  I’m simply asking you to reflect on your own values, both as a person and as a moral agent.  If He didn’t, would you want to know? What would be more important to you, comfort and emotional security, or the truth?

I, for one, would very much like to believe in God.  The world is filled with terrible injustices, and the idea that someday they will all be tallied and accounted for is really quite comforting.  I’m also lonely, in a spiritual sense; there’s nobody quite like me on the planet, and while that uniqueness is wonderful, it’s isolating too.  The existence of God would bring me joy and a sense of companionship.

But those aren’t even the best reasons.  The biggest reason I want to believe is that I really want to know that I’ll see my children, and my parents, when we’ve all passed away.

Oh, I want there to be a God.

So if He brings me comfort and joy, and it’s just my personal belief, maybe the truth of it doesn’t matter.  Indeed, if that was all there was to it, then it seems to me that we should leave all beliefs unbruised.

But when is a personal belief really just personal?

For the most part, you act on your beliefs (in fact, you’re really morally obligated to).  If you think that homosexuality is a sin, you’ll try to steer people from it.  Now that’s not unreasonable, but your beliefs certainly aren’t personal anymore, are they? Your beliefs actually affect a great many people (and the effect is cumulative.  When a gay teen is bullied, beaten, murdered, or shamed into suicide, it’s not the personal belief of one person to blame, but a choir of homophobic rhetoric from ministers, politicians, and good, everyday God-fearing people).

Since your belief in a theistic god (Yahweh, Adonai, Allah, Jehovah, if we were just to stay within within the Abrahamic religions) informs how you interact in the world—how you treat people—it becomes morally imperative that you have some justification for those beliefs.

No one in the KKK thinks that they are racist (after all, it’s not racist if it’s true).  But the world be a better place if they could ignore what they wanted to be true, what was gratifying to believe, and instead just examine their beliefs and how they came by them.  The world would be a better place if those who had used the bible to defend slavery, or practice forced conversion, or burned witches, had all come to their senses sooner.

Now there’s been a great deal of moral progress since the dark ages, but are we done? Are we at the height of it? Every generation has thought itself the apex of morality and progress, the final product of our moral evolution. But they’ve never been right. Ever. So what are the chances that we’ve gotten all the right answers to how we should treat our fellow man? There may be more, quite a lot more, that we need to do, but which we keep outside the realm of honest examination.

Unexamined belief, even with the best of intentions, has led to some of the worst suffering in history. You can say you don’t have to examine your beliefs because you know you’re right,  but that’s the defense of every klansman, slaver, and inquisitor.

“But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.” –Jesus, Luke 19:27 “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.” –Jesus, Matthew 10:34
“But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.” –Jesus, Luke 19:27 “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.” –Jesus, Matthew 10:34

The largest dogmatic organization in the world, the Catholic Church, does in fact examine its own beliefs.  They have changed positions quite a lot in the last 100 years, and they appear on the precipice of a significant shift in tone towards homosexuals, and maybe women too.  But if, 100 years from now, our treatment of homosexuals and of women are looked down upon with the same disgust we now have for slavery, we’re the ones responsible for not holding the church accountable. Every moral advancement has come from people challenging dogmatic beliefs, and has been opposed by those who felt we had reached the apex of morality already. That I can tell, the latter have never been right; there’s always room for improvement.

Truth is the moral bedrock of civilization.  You can’t convict the guilty or set the innocent free—you can not have justice—without truth.  In fact, it’s impossible for anyone unwilling to actively pursue truth (even when it conflicts with their beliefs or things they wish were true) to make any claim to morality. Simply put: if you’re going to believe in a higher power, particularly in a theistic god with specific commandments and injunctions that you’re going to impose in some way on others, you’ve a moral obligation to try to get the right one.

That’s a tall order.

There are several thousand sects of Christianity(1)The World Christian Encyclopedia lists 55,000 denominations of Christianity in 238 countries.  However, while many of these are indeed separate organizations, most do not differentiate belief in any meaningful way.  When including only those with salient differences in belief, the real number is far closer to 3,000. alone.  Most of these (Catholic, Protestant, Lutheran, Prosperity, Mormon, Baptist, Evangelical, etc) are exclusive; they excommunicate the other sects (and since none of these are a majority, it means that if you’re a Christian, you believe that even most Christians are going to hell(2)Christians sanitize this fact. You are either “saved” or “not saved”. If youàre a Christian, but of the wrong denomination, you are no more saved than a Jew, Hindu, or atheist.).  In fact Jews, Muslims, and Mormons can’t agree, even within themselves, which moral teachings can safely be ignored and which can’t, and that’s just the Abrahamic theologies; there are the three billion people who have never heard of Moses, Abraham, or Jesus.

Indeed, nearly every sect of every theistic religion in history has had two things in common: first, they believe that they hold the key to salvation and moral behavior to the exclusion of everyone else. Second, tenants of their faith oppress and marginalize some people, while revering others.

So how do you pick? How do you know who is right?

At this point, giving up and just choosing the one you like best seems as good a plan as any. Indeed, this is what almost everybody does. Despite the claim that religion makes you moral, you actually use your innate morality and judgement to choose a religion that makes sense to you. If that church begins to get a little radical for you, you convert to another faith(3)Indeed most religions don’t actually lead on moral issues. From anti-semitisim, slavery and forced conversion, to the protection of rapists, the burning of witches, and homosexuality, the church leads from behind, and is dragged, kicking and screaming, into more tolerant positions already claimed by civilized societies, and even then only when they are confronted with irrelevancy, obsolescence, and a dearth of parishioners. People use their own moral judgement to pick a religion. It’s much easier to say that it’s impossible to know, or to claim mystical intuition (that you “just know” the truth, that you feel it in your bones) and find a church that will re-enforce your currently held beliefs (and you can go ahead and pick any set of beliefs you want, somewhere out there is a church that agrees with you), than it is to do the unsettling work of consciously examining your beliefs and their consequences.

But if doing the right thing were easy, everybody would do it.  Failure to think about these things is simply the abdication of our greatest responsibility and our greatest faculty, that which allows us to make our way through the world and make good decisions: reason.

Most theistic religions approve of reasoning when it comes to supporting their faith, reasoning out what the faith of Abraham or Job can tell us, but strongly discourage reasoning when it comes to questioning the faith or the logic of it’s tenants.  They make it an a priori issue which impedes reflective thought: by definition, faith is belief in the absence of reason.  As soon as you have a reason to believe something, it’s no longer faith, it’s knowledge.  Faith cannot exist in the presence of reason; they are mutually exclusive.  Indeed, Christians have go so far as to make knowledge quite literally “the forbidden fruit”, the acquisition of which constitutes original sin(4)Bertrand Russel famously pointed out that there isn’t a single word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence).  The result: questioning your faith is a sin, and supplanting doubt with mystical certainty a virtue.

This is a recipe for disaster.

The the faith approach takes a heavy dose of denial to overcome one obvious fault: it’s phenomenally arrogant. Whatever your faith, most people alive today, with faith no less strong than your own, believe (and nearly all throughout history have believed) that you’re wrong. No matter how strong your faith, you cannot commit it to reality by a force of will.  If you could, then the right religions would be the most extreme ones; I doubt anyone reading this can claim faith stronger or more certain than that of say, the People’s Temple of Jim Jones, ISIS, Heaven’s Gate, or the 9/11 hijackers.

“Kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man”
–Moses, Numbers 31:17-18

The strength of your belief has no bearing on whether those beliefs are true.  And no matter how strong your faith, how devout your practice, how righteous your conviction, mystical certainty as exercised throughout the ages, from human sacrifices to the burning of witches, has always been a bad tool for making moral judgments.

Indeed, mystical certainty is perhaps the worst tool for decision making ever.

For the entirety of man’s 200,000-year history, in every civilization, in every tribe, we’ve invented gods which are said to intervene in our daily affairs.  I say “invented”, because even the most devout Catholic and the most hardened atheist have one thing in common—they believe that over 99.9% of these gods, which man has believed in, put his faith in, murdered and died for, from Anunnaki and Kukulcan, to Osiris and Poseidon, must be invented–fairy tales—man made myths. The theist is actually an atheist regarding nearly all of it, only a tiny point of contention between the two: the theist withholds from the list of conjured deities a single god, or set of gods, which he or she believes is quite obviously real (and that, surprisingly enough, he or she has identified the correct one).

If the Catholic can understand why he doesn’t believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet, then that he can understand why the atheist doesn’t think Jesus was either.

Knowing in your heart that you’ve identified the correct theistic belief is intoxicating in its appeal to your ego.  After all, if you found the correct religion when the vast majority of humans ever to have lived missed it, one of three things must be true:

  1. You are smarter than (or more spiritually in tune, or in some other way superior to) most other people .
  2. You’re favored by God, in His grace such that he had you born in a country where the right religion is accessible, at a time it’s accessible, and steered you to it, and has empowered you to explain to others, on his behalf, how best to live their lives.
  3. You got the right one by dumb luck (which, if true, makes heaven and hell nothing more than a divine lottery game, and would appear to invalidate any point to theism—it’s all a crap shoot).

That kind of appeal to ego, conscious or not, is inextricable from theistic religion, and is a strong disincentive towards honestly examining the validity of your beliefs.

It’s been my experience that when I want something to be true, I have to double check any evidence, since I tend to give far less weight to counter evidence, and extra weight to confirming evidence (I don’t mean to, and it’s taken years of reflection to see that I am as guilty of this as anyone, but I am.  I bias my judgements).  The appeal to ego, the comfort of companionship, the escape from a near constant fear of death, the reassurance of a just world, even if I can’t understand it right now—these are among the most powerful influences a human being can experience.

These factors make genuinely questioning your faith one of the hardest, yet most most courageous things you can do.  It’s not easy, it’s not fun, but it is an act of humility and integrity, an attempt to make yourself a better moral agent.

Of the thousands of gods, hundreds of thousands of sects of worship, only one of two things can be true: Either one of them is right, or they’re all wrong.

If there were no God, would you want to know?

Given that we compulsively make gods, that so many in history have been false, given the inability of any religion to make accurate claims about the natural world, given the overwhelming moral failures these theistic beliefs throughout history, and given the dynamic nature of these beliefs, inability to form any lasting consensus around them (today’s Catholic would have been heretical just 200 years ago) all suggest one thing:

We made it all up.

We’re wired to make it up.  We’ve done it since before we could write.

There are unanswered questions, to be sure.  But inventing a fake answer, while more satisfying, is worse than admitting we don’t know.

It is cruel and heartless not to realize that this is one of the hardest questions one can struggle with.  But the only moral answer to the question “If there wasn’t a God, would you want to know” must be that you have to know.  If there’s no God, moral inquiry can’t even truly begin until we know—there has never been a more divisive force than belief in God.

"We keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality. On every side there is conclusive evidence that the contrary is the case." --Christopher Hitchens
“We keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality. On every side there is conclusive evidence that the contrary is the case.”

Let us, for a moment, forget all of the suffering caused by those who believed they had a personal connection with, or understood the wishes of, God.  So we’ll ignore the long and disgusting history of the use of the Bible, Torah and Koran as a means to further the practice of slavery and warrants for genocide.  Drop, too, acts of terrorism and slaughter between Protestants and Catholics, Shia and Suni, Muslim and Christian, Israelis and Palestinians, and so on.  We’ll ignore the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the burning of heretics and witches, and the Catholic Church’s official policy of anti-Semitism towards Jews and its direct contribution to the Holocaust.  Let’s drop homophobia and misogynisim.  We’ll forgive superstitions like circumcision(5)Circumcision is a medieval and brutal practice. It is mutilation, practiced without consent of the child, which, while having spurious medical justification, inarguably removes the most sensitive and pleasurable part of the penis. Its practice would certainly be illegal if it didn’t have religious warrant. and genital mutilation.  The hypocrisy of the Catholic church (lining their churches with stained glass, gilding Vatican toilet handles in gold, remolding Bishops’ homes for tens of millions, and acquiring million dollar estates—including the church’s gorgeous $30 million Madison Avenue mansion) can all safely be ignored.  Let’s ignore the institutionalized and active covering up the rape(6)I’m sorry, but I must insist we not sanitize this and call it abuse. It was rape. That the church won’t call it by its proper name, and instead tries to mitigate their crimes by manipulating the language and referring to rape simply as “abuse,” marginalizes their victims, and should tell you everything you need to know about their contrition in these matters of (in some cases hundreds) of young boys (and girls, too)(7)Some people seem to think that the new pope is addressing this, but I see little evidence of it. My home town’s own Cardinal Bernard Law, a man I was quite familiar with in my youth, fled Boston ahead of a warrant, and now lives a lavish life in the Vatican, from where, thanks to the wisdom of the Holy See, he is both immune to consequence and cannot be extradited. Indeed, the church continues to defy all efforts to shed light on the depth of the problem, and to shelter the perpetrators on the grounds that protecting the institution is more important than justice, another untenable moral position for which they will one day have to apologize, though not till long after their victims are buried..  The forced conversion of people to Christianity and Islam, Rwandan Christian ministers inciting genocide, American ministers contributing to legislation making homosexuality a capital crime, the hypocritical offering of indulgences—trading money for divinity…

Let’s ignore it all, pretend it didn’t happen.  They’re not the real crime when it comes to theistic religion.

The real crime?

“It is no credit to the orthodox that they do not now believe all the absurdities that were believed 150 years ago. The gradual emasculation of the Christian doctrine has been effected in spite of the most vigorous resistance, and solely as the result of the onslaughts of freethinkers” –Bertrand Russell
“It is no credit to the orthodox that they do not now believe all the absurdities that were believed 150 years ago. The gradual emasculation of the Christian doctrine has been effected in spite of the most vigorous resistance, and solely as the result of the onslaughts of freethinkers” –Bertrand Russell

All theistic religions must, and do, oppose human progress; they attack the process of, and the people who engage in, reasoning.

The power of reason is the most powerful tool we as a species possess, it is the sole source of our success on this planet.  Religion not only does not allow for this success, but actively opposes it.

While religion has been forced back, forced to cede the point that perhaps burning people at the stake for unfavorable weather or crop failure, getting confessions of heretical behavior by forcing rats to burrow into a person’s stomach, and murdering those who engage in open inquiry, aren’t good ideas, it continues its unrelenting opposition both to progress, and to the fruits of that progress (from open heart surgery, to sterilization and antibiotics, to vaccines—all opposed in the name of God).  And despite the universal–I mean complete and total–failure rate of theistic books as guides to the natural world, people still rely on them, both for answers to the natural universe and for moral guidance.  Anyone can easily name five or ten biblical accounts of the world which science has utterly shattered, but I’ve yet to hear a single, just one, account of the natural world where science and the bible have disagreed, and the bible was right.

For two hundred thousand years we had only the smallest of technological advancements (the discovery of fire, agriculture, and basic engineering).  If you survived the first five years of life, you were most likely to die of an abscess of the teeth (when was the last time you worried a tooth was going to kill you?).  The average life expectancy was 32 years old.

That all started to change about 300 years ago.  With the refinement of the scientific method, our understanding of the natural world and our ability to modify it to suit our needs, predict future events, and protect ourselves from disease and extreme conditions, blossomed.  We more than doubled life expectancy, while simultaneously making life easier, longer, more productive, and safer than it’s ever been, curing disease and cutting the infant mortality rate more than a hundred fold.  In that short 300 years we’ve accomplished more in than in the 10,000 years before that, and today’s high school student knows more about history, medicine, physics, gravity, biology, chemistry, the atom, the galaxy, and the nature of space and time itself, than the smartest man alive 200 years ago knew about any of those subjects.

This progress didn’t come from priests, but from people who challenged dogmatic thinking, and was opposed, often violently, by religion.  The discovery that disease in a medieval castle came from throwing human waste into the moat, the sole source of drinking water, flew in the face of those who claimed it was the wrath of an angry God (and who claimed to have the cure, often in the form of a few Hail Marys and some donation to God almighty, which the church would happily accept in his name).

And while secularism has made it harder for religions to impose death on those who challenge them, churches still fiercely oppose progress to the suffering of millions, if not billions, of people: Global Warming is real and its man-made, but like virtually every other scientific discovery in human history, these facts have been deliberately opposed by many theists (most of whom of whom won’t trouble themselves to try to understand how we know this), impeding our response to what may well be one of the greatest challenges mankind has ever faced.  They challenge evolution as “Just a theory”(8)You have to be willfully ignorant of science to not know that a “Theory,” like the theory of gravity, is stronger than a “law”, and considered the highest form of knowledge.  That this level of ignorance exists is a direct result of assaults on science by theists opposed to its findings.), and waste public time and money trying to force a dark age methodology of natural inquiry into classrooms, to roll back progress and square their texts with reality.  We know for a fact that condoms are the best protection against AIDS, overpopulation, and poverty(9)Contraception is one of the most underrated scientific accomplishments of all time. By decoupling procreation from sex, women can wait until they are emotionally and financially ready before having a child, and can limit the size of that family. It is the most powerful tool we have in combating poverty and famine. The Catholic Church, a wasteland of failed moral policy behind it, equivocates on this point, saying it’s okay to prevent births by using math, but not by using chemistry or physics, once again claiming special knowledge of God’s wishes, but this simple tool is barred by the Catholic Church in favor of “abstinence only” programs, conclusively proven to increase transmission of disease and poverty, highlights a staggering hypocrisy: the Catholic Church, which, to be blunt, can’t seem to restrain its own priests—men with vows of celibacy and committed to the service of god—from raping little boys in their parishes, but expects that a married man with AIDS will never have sex with his wife.  There are people, men of power, hoping for war in the middle east, so that biblical prophecy can be fulfilled, and the end times (which have been just around the corner for the last 2,000 years or so) can commence.  And Matthew 6:34, which commands that you “Take no thought for the morrow,” has been used to defend ignoring environmental concerns of any kind (if Jesus is coming back tomorrow, what does it matter?); children need education, workers need retirement programs, and diseases need to be arrested; “Take no thought for the morrow” is inherently immoral when taken to nearly any degree (and while he may disagree, I hope that the pope himself can see that I’m not kidding when I say that I don’t feel safer with nuclear launch codes in the hands of anyone who believes any of this).

Theism is our first attempt at understanding the world, but as astrology gave way to astronomy and alchemy to chemistry, religion must give way to science.  Under no set of circumstances is faith a substitute for reason.

I was raised Protestant (loosely), but was always agnostic (which is a mild form of atheism—agnostics don’t practice theistic beliefs or religious teachings)—so I held firm to a just afterlife, even if 2,000-year-old tales of Jesus did not impress me.  But I’d always had doubts, and after years of thought and debate, reached the conclusion that it was wish thinking.  The truth is that nobody knows what happens when you die, nobody.  If there is something, I suspect it’s nothing we’re even capable of comprehending; imagine the difference between how the ant views the world and a human.  If there’s an afterlife it’s likely to be whole orders of magnitude more different than that… I can’t fathom my concerns about justice would remain intact.

Perhaps it’s a good thing.  I have to kiss my children extra, connect with them emotionally, tell my wife I love her, and be courteous to people on the street—this is my only shot, I had better make it count.

I have no issue with theism, save in the cases where it emboldens reckless and irrational behavior, turns suffering into virtue, denies science and progress, enables rape, murder, and torture, all in the name metaphysical dogma which we all agree must be and has historically been dead wrong at least 99% of the time.

That theism still enjoys such popularity in the face of all of this is actually quite breathtaking.

But not only is there no evidence for theistic claims, not only have they had a staggering failure rate, but they are in fact immoral, commanding us to use clearly fallible faith over our far superior faculties of reason.  As weapons of mass destruction get smaller and easier to make, we get closer and closer to death on a massive scale at the hands of people with only one defense for their actions: faith.

Reasoning is frowned upon in theism because faith cannot withstand the scrutiny of reason.  Nearly all theistic “proofs” for God (or gods) are reducible to two central arguments—the God of the Gaps argument, and a Prime Mover argument.  These arguments are actually two sides of the same coin, they beget each other (Prime Mover is actually a disguised Gaps argument, and Gaps relies on the same fallacious premises as Prime Mover).  The destruction of the Gaps argument is actually quite easy—it’s literally the most employed argument in the history of human discourse, and it’s never been right.  Ever.  Not once.  With the fall of Gaps, 90% of arguments (including Prime Mover) for the existence of any god of any kind are irrecoverable.  Most theists, in order to prove god, rely on deistic arguments (you can’t prove that Jesus was the son of God because, well, something had to start the universe rolling)—a proper understanding of the difference between Theistic and Deistic arguments renders a second lethal blow to Gaps and Mover (at least where theism is concerned) and to the vast majority of the remaining arguments.  What’s left is a reliance on faith (which can’t be employed in a rational discussion) or syllogistic fallacies (like insisting that failure to prove God does not exist means that He does).

Rather than restrict people to a linear argument as one might find in an essay or book, this codex allows you to browse and explore arguments at your leisure and in an order that makes sense to you.  I hope that you can find something useful to you in these pages.

The Humanist Codex

Footnotes   [ + ]

1. The World Christian Encyclopedia lists 55,000 denominations of Christianity in 238 countries.  However, while many of these are indeed separate organizations, most do not differentiate belief in any meaningful way.  When including only those with salient differences in belief, the real number is far closer to 3,000.
2. Christians sanitize this fact. You are either “saved” or “not saved”. If youàre a Christian, but of the wrong denomination, you are no more saved than a Jew, Hindu, or atheist.
3. Indeed most religions don’t actually lead on moral issues. From anti-semitisim, slavery and forced conversion, to the protection of rapists, the burning of witches, and homosexuality, the church leads from behind, and is dragged, kicking and screaming, into more tolerant positions already claimed by civilized societies, and even then only when they are confronted with irrelevancy, obsolescence, and a dearth of parishioners
4. Bertrand Russel famously pointed out that there isn’t a single word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence
5. Circumcision is a medieval and brutal practice. It is mutilation, practiced without consent of the child, which, while having spurious medical justification, inarguably removes the most sensitive and pleasurable part of the penis. Its practice would certainly be illegal if it didn’t have religious warrant.
6. I’m sorry, but I must insist we not sanitize this and call it abuse. It was rape. That the church won’t call it by its proper name, and instead tries to mitigate their crimes by manipulating the language and referring to rape simply as “abuse,” marginalizes their victims, and should tell you everything you need to know about their contrition in these matters
7. Some people seem to think that the new pope is addressing this, but I see little evidence of it. My home town’s own Cardinal Bernard Law, a man I was quite familiar with in my youth, fled Boston ahead of a warrant, and now lives a lavish life in the Vatican, from where, thanks to the wisdom of the Holy See, he is both immune to consequence and cannot be extradited. Indeed, the church continues to defy all efforts to shed light on the depth of the problem, and to shelter the perpetrators on the grounds that protecting the institution is more important than justice, another untenable moral position for which they will one day have to apologize, though not till long after their victims are buried.
8. You have to be willfully ignorant of science to not know that a “Theory,” like the theory of gravity, is stronger than a “law”, and considered the highest form of knowledge.  That this level of ignorance exists is a direct result of assaults on science by theists opposed to its findings.
9. Contraception is one of the most underrated scientific accomplishments of all time. By decoupling procreation from sex, women can wait until they are emotionally and financially ready before having a child, and can limit the size of that family. It is the most powerful tool we have in combating poverty and famine. The Catholic Church, a wasteland of failed moral policy behind it, equivocates on this point, saying it’s okay to prevent births by using math, but not by using chemistry or physics, once again claiming special knowledge of God’s wishes

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Gillen Alfred Kazmarek
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Atheism is IGNORANT.

John Termaten
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Gillen can you tell me who that was and if you are so sure of then there must be some proof. Learn how to think not what to think.

Gillen Alfred Kazmarek
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All cell molecular structure does not start by itself, it requires genome signatures, protein to start life.
Not 1 cell starts for no reason, it starts because of manufacturing , program.
As if it doesen’t.
Atheists are LIARS, FALSE WITNESSES.

Gillen Alfred Kazmarek
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Remember ,
Not 1 cell can reproduce itself by itself.
Truth up.
You guys are a

JOKE !!!!

Dwaine Froment
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This is a joke right?

Dwaine Froment
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I’m sorry but you lost me when you added in global warming. In your own words you describe atheism and I quote – true atheism – is about skepticism, education, and rational thought – and then go right ahead and break everyone of your own rules by suggesting only a theist would deny global warming. Tut tut. Perhaps thou be thyself a true believer. Leave us not cast stones etc etc. 🙂

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🙂

Dwaine Froment
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Hard to find someone with an open mind. You my be unique

Dwaine Froment
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Sorry one more thing. I don’t know if global warming is true or not. I have looked at the science and found it wanting. More importantly I found so called scientists that may not be religious or involving a deity but are decidedly religious zealots. So help you Suzuki if you disagree with them. The science is done. Why are we arguing. If you disagree then you are a denier. Sound familiar? I guess my question is; when does it become a religion. Perhaps secular liberalism is just another religion?

Michael Rielly
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like they no brain to think christans

Michael Rielly
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if god this god that,they cant think for them self

Daniel Acheampong
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First response: “Atheism iz stoopid becuz…muh apophenia!”

Lou Mcneil
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explain where Mind comes from… (intuition, self knowledge, council, courage, memory, reason, understanding, worship, wisdom, )… even fish have a brain….

Lou Mcneil
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the largest dog is (imo) a Malamute, its head is larger than the span of my shoulders, it is taller than I, when it stands on hind legs, yet point a gun at it, and in 1 minute pull the trigger… no self or self preservation, neither in primates… they hold intuition relating to their life, but it is not ‘mind’.. i’ll agree with memory, since even apes can be taught things like sign language, but that same ape will not initiate a conversation, it has no understanding of what its being taught, and some apes are larger than myself….. the true names of those mind incidents, are called spirits…spirit of intuition, spirit of knowledge, spirit of wisdom, spirit of council… A person born with a defect to the brain that prevents even the least of these (intuition), or occurring by accident is little more than an animal that needs to be spoon fed, dressed and bathed … lose the mind, and you’re essentially the walking dead..

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only man has a subconscious. and you just contradicted yourself with the big brained, big bodied dog.. dogs can know dangers if they are taught to recognize it, just like humans… ignorance is not a lack of mind…i’ll give you that dog has a better instinct than man, but instict is not intuition. Why has man not physically evolved, over the eons if we evolved from some animal?… We all still have toes..

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Scientific theory evolves as technology improves….we are seekers of knowledge, we want truth, … But we can neither prove or disprove existence of Universal Spirit. Dogma, fear, control through religion is bad for humanity, but faith, hope and belief that we are souls inhabiting our bodies is ancient, global and comforting.

Gillen Alfred Kazmarek
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Present 1 species that has evolved into another species.
Tick tock……….

Gillen Alfred Kazmarek
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This 1 is funny, maybe not a romantic.

Gillen Alfred Kazmarek
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Blah, blah, blah.
Bloody nonsense.
Immature babble.

Gillen Alfred Kazmarek
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Stephen Best
What came first :
Protein or cell structure ?

Stephen Best
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Look, I can’t say the universe was created from nothing or if it was created by a higher power but if you believe that some God is looking down judgeing us, then I would love to see some evidence.

Stephen Best
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I guess my point is, if God in the sense of the god in the bible is real and I am to live my life according to his teachings, then surely I can see some evidence that was not written 2000 years ago and is Relevant to me. I have often said, if God wants me to worship him, all he has to do is ask but he never does…

Lesli Casal
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Seek the first the kingdom of God and all will be added to you.

Stephen Best
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But doesn’t that mean putting my faith in stories written two thousand years ago? Why doesn’t the bible mention the internet or any modern values. For example, the bible talks of slavery and misogyny but not modern values. Why is this???

Chris Green
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Hi Stephen Best….

Stephen Best
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Hey Chris Green, how you doing mate?

Chris Green
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Yep im ok thanks……keep losing these pages on fb tho….lol

Stephen Best
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Tell me about it, I love to find all of the religious nuts and ask questions. I am still waiting to get a sensible answer though lol

Thomas Lyons Napier
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And you are so fecking boring. A real bundle of laughs I suspect. Stop being a knob and live your life and enjoy all that is good in being a live. Billy no mates

Gillen Alfred Kazmarek
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Science lays down truth.
Manufacturing, design, genome signatures
They cannot form themselves.

Gillen Alfred Kazmarek
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Codex boy :
Study any molecular structure you will find cell genome signatures for every living thing, plant, animal and insect..
Duh…no molecular structure on earth can manufacture itself by itself.
Duh..

Gillen Alfred Kazmarek
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Atheists are STUPID.
HOW CAN NOTHING DESIGN EVERYTHING…EACH MOLECULAR STRUCTURE HAS CELL GENOME MARKERS OR SIGNATURES..
AS IF THEY DONT !

Gillen Alfred Kazmarek
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The Humanist Codex
Is a LIAR, A COUNTERFEIT,
FALSE WITNESS.
PLUS, NO PROOF OF 1 SPECIES EVOLVING INTO ANOTHER,
POOR EXCUSE FOR AN
atheist.
Ignorance is negative ,
counter – intuitive to truth.

Gillen Alfred Kazmarek
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You come here spouting crap,
I so challenge you to provide factual scientific proof that a designer does not exist.
Chop, chop….

Joseph Hamm
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I challenge you to provide proof that the little leprechaun on the end of my bed doesn’t exist……please he’s creeping me out

Gillen Alfred Kazmarek
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Stop the selfish drugs your doing , LOSER ???

Gillen Alfred Kazmarek
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Joseph Hamm
Is a LOSER LIKE HIS PARENTS ???????????????? YOULIKE ME BOY ????????

Gillen Alfred Kazmarek
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???

Gillen Alfred Kazmarek
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I did say :
CHOP CHOP, that is what you must present proof got it !

Gillen Alfred Kazmarek
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Otherwise, we will block you more than you think we can?

Olivia Mark
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There’s no message box

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no message box… I will have to look into it. These were some test floats of the essays. Still having a few structural problems with the Codex. It would appear this is one of them. I finally – just yesterday – made a separate page just for the Codex so that I don’t have to put this on my personal or professional page. I may still put some of the essays there, but there’s more to my work than this Codex… Really should get its own page.

Lesli Casal
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The intelligent design of the universe, suggests an intelligent designer. Evolution vs creation we know and believe that we were intelligently created in the image of God and you choose to believe you evolved from apes, perhaps we are both correct. Some of us were intelligently created and some of us did evolve from apes. Problem solved.

Chris J Precious
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Poor understanding of biology and evolution, not ‘from apes’ but from the same family as.

Lesli Casal
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It’s a theory or a working hypothesis not one missing link has ever been discovered to link the species together. But you’ll believe the man that wrote that book, but you won’t believe the Bible because it was written by man. Why is the earth called earth? It’s mentioned in the Bible.

Lesli Casal
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But maybe you are a Neanderthal or from the same family it makes sense to me.

Pamela Rose
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Years gone by, it was said that Neanderthal and homosapians did not breed up, but now we know (from genes) that this is not true.

Lesli Casal
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The planets move so precisely that they can be mathematically calculated and tracked, this wasn’t by chance, the seasons changing on time all the time accidentally perfect? Man can create matter but in doing so they create equal amounts of anti matter what ever created the universe did so without creating anti matter suggesting a completely positive action. Intelligent design not accidental random placement.

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Lesli Casal There is no “missing link” as such, although there is always the desire for specimens that will teach us more about the developmental stages. And a large percentage of our modern population does indeed share genetic indicators with Neanderthals. The beauty of science is that it is constantly looking for new answers, adapting to new information and always looking for new knowledge, never relying on trite, oft repeated errors.

Lesli Casal
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In an effort to be self righteous, self aware, self indulgent. The only reason we have laws in our country is because of Mosaic law God placed a moral compass in us to know the difference between right and wrong, if you throw out God then you must throw out His law and then murder and killing is acceptable lying and stealing should be if no consequence. Why live by laws that God created if you don’t even believe in God? Everyday in Israel, archeologist find more and more proof that the Bible’s account of history is accurate. New knowledge?, new answers? keep searching I hope you find it. I would rather seek out God. Cause if you’re right and I’m wrong no consequence…But if I’m right and your wrong, good luck I’ll pray for you.

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So we just evolved from something else and conveniently a male and a female variety developed so we could procreate because all of a sudden we just stopped evolving and luckily we some how developed morals and ethics and now we’re just by products of sexual encounters and no more evolution we’re not just naturally going to morph into something else, why haven’t we continued to evolve into new but different humanoid from the same family of apes and Neanderthals? It isn’t a good working hypothesis because there are to many holes and no explanation for why all animal species just suddenly stopped evolving. And we just simply know?

Chris J Precious
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Lesli Casal Evolution does continue to this day, in very small incremental stages. This is most noticeable in bacteria where new strains are always appearing.

Chris J Precious
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Lesli Casal The history you claim is being proved is also finding contradictions. Many votive statues have also been found that show worship of any number of gods, including Yahweh’s wife. Any writer that wanted his text to be believable would be sure to include historical references to provide a feel of authenticity.

Lesli Casal
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Bacteria??? Oh wow!! And what strain of bacteria ever in the last 6000 years has evolved into any specie’s of plant or animal? This is pure comedy. You can’t explain it. And you never will be able to. The world will end before you ever come up with a viable explanation. What a hopeless existence you have no purpose or reason to even be here your accomplishments are meaningless, and nothing matters. Live to die there’s nothing else. I actually feel very sorry for you.

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Lesli Casal Hey dude how’s it goin? Just a couple of things, person to person. It is fine to disagree with a person, it’s only when we can’t have reasonable discussion that stuff breaks down. I disagree with what you’ve said, and you probbly disagree with me, but we should be able to talk, don’t you agree? Anyway just a couple of things I’d like to point out: speciation is where one species experiences different selection pressures and one sub-population, no matter how small, adapts and evolves, gradually becoming a separate species. (I know that the definition of species is still debated but this remains true regardless, feel free to do a quick google). This has been observed in bacteria, again a quick google will suffice to prove this. I (sort of) understand why you can feel this way and have a viewpoint like this, but regarding your point about atheists living without a point or purpose: I’d argue that because we have nothing to live for after we die – we live for everything, the life we are living! Also morality surpasses religion, I think murder and rape etc are wrong because I’m a human and I have the mental function to realise that killing people is bad, not because a book told me it was bad. What do you think?

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In scientific analysis you have to look at the nature of things the first thing is energy. The properties it cannot be created it cannot be destroyed. Scientists agree that what caused the big bang was a burst of energy. So out of nothing…Came something. If energy cannot be created, then it had to have existed before the big bang. It was not an accidental or random burst that flung stars out with no rhyme or reason they have a specific mathematical calculation and can be tracked. Then you have the physics the particles that make up matter. Scientists can recreate the big bang and the process creates matter but it also creates equal amounts of anti matter however the big bang that created the universe did so without creating any anti matter, a complete positive charge. The atom which makes up all things has equal amounts of negative and positive energy An extremely complexed structured make up. This wasn’t accidental, this is extreme intelligence. Every religion prior to Judaism was the worship of stars, planets, moons, and inanimate objects, where there was never an interaction between daeity and man, and then the revelation of a living God. Who explains in detail the creation of the earth. That explanation of how, when where and why, makes more sense and holds more substance the any theory of man who thinks he… Read more »

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Lesli Casal Apart from that illogical logic leaving the age-old question of “who created your god”, your comment does sound like the worst form of supremacist nonsense. Good people have good morals, bad people have bad morals. The Bible spends more pages justifying exceptions to good morals, listing people that should be killed because they occupy land or don’t worship in the right way, children that can be fed to bears for making fun of baldness etc. Without the god theory, ‘thou salt not kill’ would stand as a moral direction, it takes almost every religious text to make the excuses for who or what can be killed. That alone should tell you how man-made religion is.

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– Oh, you have a belief in non-belief. Or, stated otherwise, you believe in nothingness and randomness. That’s cute. 😉 I am a logician and mathematician, my mind will go where the truth is, without belief or non-belief. 😉 If one accepts quantum mechanics as legitimate, they must necessarily ‘believe’ in unnatural and unverifiable concepts, as experiments are reproducible.

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– You throw your Messiah at me !?!
Sam Harris? OMG (Oh My Glenn), this is going to be interesting. However, I hope you don’t have feelings which are easily hurt. 😉 lol By the way, I crush atheists and theists for fun, in my spare time. 😀

Glenn Jessome
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– Your wife is nothing!
When you feel the Wrath Of Glenn, you will whimper like a puppy, and head back to the unloving abusive arms of your wife! 😀 LOL

Glenn Jessome
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– I am reading your drivel, now. 😉

Robert Steven Knight
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fools the lot Psa 14:1
[[To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.]] The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Marc Krause
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Stephan Molenyux did a couple of thesis on Atheists. He found that in the absence of religion they usually look towards really big government…… lol (but really)

Andrew Button
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The semblance of order doesn’t imply a god of any kind. There is objectively a cause and effect to everything, none of which can be attributed to the supernatural. If there was a supernatural force affecting things, literally anything could happen, air turning to gold, goats birthing eagles, trees walking around. Everything has a naturalistic explanation, the second you say god did it you are admitting you have no clue what you are speaking about and rational people will ridicule you mercilessly or attempt to teach you, sometimes both. Yes there are things that are inexplicable at the moment, but so were viruses, genetics, star formation, and a whole bunch of other stuff 100 years ago. Who knows what we will have discovered 100 years from now.

Keith Gerrard
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I suggest you use a little of your scientific ability and study DNA and find out the chances of DNA coming into existance by mere chance. Then answer my previous question on another post. What was there before the Big bang?

Keith Gerrard
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Oh and I am well educated in science so debating with such as you is very easy.

Keith Gerrard
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I f you wish to turn air to Gold, first you will have to split the molecule into its two elements. If you have sufficient energy it is then a simple matter to convert both oxygen and hydrogen to Gold at an atomic level. You should study quantum physics and some of the theories in dimensional and time effects. Would help you to understand many of the so called supernatural things we observe.

Keith Gerrard
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So lets be having your teaching skills then.

Andrew Button
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Ah the old watch argument. Debunked decades ago. Far smarter people than I have torn that to pieces, feel free to look it up. The temperatures to make gold from lighter elements is usually found in massive stars when they are exploding, supernovae in science terms. Where have you come from, creation science websites? Nobody can say conclusively what existed before the big bang, nobody, if they say they can then you can guarantee they are trying to sell you something. Nothing is supernatural, that’s the point. You can science oxygen into gold but you can’t pray for it to happen spontaneously.

Andrew Button
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In addition to grossly misunderstanding biological evolution and what is known about abiogenesis, you plainly don’t know much about the history of watches and other kinds of time measuring devices

Keith Gerrard
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Big bang, DNA, no creator? Hmmmm

Michael Rielly
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no god

Michael Rielly
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yes big bang

Keith Gerrard
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Care to explain? Perhaps you could start with explaining what was there before the Big bang to save us time.

Keith Gerrard
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Nothing , now that is a problem. Everything we see is 90 percent nothing at an atomic level, although a new theory is suggesting that this nothing is in fact a form of energy. It is important not to follow the belief of most atheists when it comes to scientific theory as well. Scientific theory is exactly that theory not fact. There are very good reasons why most of modern scientific research is not scientific fact. At the astronomical level tings are so large and so far apart astronomers can only measure the effects of things. The same is true at the sub nano level. It is very unlikely any direct facts will be found now in the fore see able future. In other words today’s science is qualified guess work nothing more. Basically it all depends on how any one person understands Atheism. The human brain cannot understand infinity and is confined in three dimensions. The part that people feel as being them is in fact just a brain reliant on electronic import from sensors. This means that it is just as possible for everything we see hear and touch etc, to be a constructed virtual reality. There is no way for us to know the difference.

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It is not an evil genius argument for me. Think on that for a moment and then escape from the preset bias you have. I do not agree that life of which human life is only a part did little before science. To start with, somehow it managed to develop DNA which contains more data in one strand than in any computer ever made. Bit clever that ol pre history innit.

Chris Green
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Justyna Katelnikoff which God is this?

Justyna Katelnikoff
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or God is everything.

Justyna Katelnikoff
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I didn’t l know that is what atheism means. In that case, I am one.

Justyna Katelnikoff
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Sorry, after reading your article, I think I would be called a deist, because I think “we’re all a part of something bigger”.

Gillen Alfred Kazmarek
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A designer, a Creator, you know an engineer……lol

Gillen Alfred Kazmarek
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Can’t answer can you ?

Gillen Alfred Kazmarek
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Try this 1.

Justyna Katelnikoff
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Gillen Alfred Kazmarek not really -not like that. Any more than a plant ‘designs’ its growth. Probably my thoughts, which are not fixed, would be best visualized as an all-encompassing organic creature (?) system (?) in which there is an infinity of interactions.

Justyna Katelnikoff
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Interactions that are not random or chaotic, but based on (perhaps) biological principles we see all around us, endlessly repeated. So a black hole could be seen as Death, compressing matter into a Seed (super atom) which becomes reborn and flowers again.

Justyna Katelnikoff
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Maybe empty dead planets are like ova that only bring life when fertilized by matter brought by comets (sperm).

Justyna Katelnikoff
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Maybe the Godlike Principle is simply to Be. To Become.

Justyna Katelnikoff
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You’re really helping me to refine my ideas.

Gillen Alfred Kazmarek
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Nah, just truth <3

Justyna Katelnikoff
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Everything is God.

John Termaten
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I’m so glad that you as a Christian see that everything is god, so all the wars, the sick born children, etc. Thank you.

Justyna Katelnikoff
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Subjectively, we can imagine the consciousness of everything -from rocks to humans and beyond – and include those understandings collectively as God.

Justyna Katelnikoff
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Haha, didn’t expect such a quick response. It’s stupid because where ever one looks one sees order. The situation is not chaotic. That much our nibblings of science and everyday observations have demonstrated. There is a Law or Principle behind everything, and we can call that God.

Justyna Katelnikoff
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Atheism is stupid.

John Termaten
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Please explain why?

Justyna Katelnikoff
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I did. Please see below 🙂

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