If Evolution is Real, Why Are There Still Monkeys?

There are two rather serious faults  with this question, each of which betray a deep misunderstanding of what evolution is and what its claims are.

The first issue is rather obvious… Even if we were descended from monkeys, why wouldn’t there still be monkeys? Evolution takes many branches at many rates. To ask “why are there still monkeys” is like saying “North Americans are descended from Europeans, so why are there still Europeans?” That one species or race evolves from another does not in any way require the extinction of the predecessor.

No scientist has ever claimed we come from monkeys. Rather, we share a common ancestor with them.
No scientist has ever claimed we come from monkeys.

The second problem is this: no scientist in the history of discovery has ever said that human beings are descended from monkeys. No scientist has ever said we are descended from apes either. In fact, no scientist has ever said that we are descended from any species alive today. They’ve never said it. Darwin never said it.

What Darwin did say, what is in his book “the origin of species,” and what is commonly accepted today, is that we share a common ancestor with the ape. we did not come from apes, and they did not come from us, but rather we both came from a species that died out a very long, long, long time ago. In the evolution of species, apes are not our parents, they are our cousins. Far back enough down the line, our ancestors and their ancestors came from the same place.

That may seem like a fine point, a subtle distinction, but not only is it not a trivial detail, but failure to understand this point has resulted in a great deal of wasted time as people attack evolution for things no evolutionary biologist has ever even suggested. We did not come from any species alive on this planet today.

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A common internet meme refuting evolution.

 

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The problem is that first animal is not a chimp. There aren’t millions of them, in fact there aren’t any. It’s been extinct for over a million years.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The animal is actually a Hominid, and went extinct “shortly” after the evolution of the Australopithecus. All of the “In Between” species are also extinct. These are the kinds of details that usually made your eyes roll into the back of head in Junior High, but are none the less important to understanding the theory.

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Olivia Mark
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I suggest to theists never to debate evolution and just say, No matter what happened, god was in control. Even Pat Robertson thinks Ken Ham is an idiot

Olivia Mark
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YECs think the supernatural is more real than the natural and I understand why. they think evolution is a lie from the devil to lead you away from god.

I wouldn’t waste my time on them. They’re too far gone.

James Smith
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First there is no proof that evolution exist second there is no DNA proof we came from primemates third all this is based on a theory not facts and before you shoot off your mouth look up what a theory is and you base your beliefs off of junk sicence because they don’t even know the answers

N Lamar Soutter
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Well… I would never shoot my mouth off and tell you to look it up. I would shoot my mouth off and directly provide a source for you. So let’s get that out of the way… (Less than 200 words, so hopefully I won’t put you to sleep): https://www.theatheistcodex.com/the-atheist-codex/definitions/scientific-theory/

George Cork
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I think you are wasting your time on Jimmy. I don’t think he reads. Gravity is a theory. It works pretty good though.

James Smith
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Theory is not fact and your no better than anybody else so quite think your so right because your not. You don’t know anymore than the next person

N Lamar Soutter
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second of all… We are able to use this “theory” to successfully artificially select for desirable behaviors in dogs. Dogs do not exist in the wild – we created them through artificial selection, and did so quite successfully. Second of all Darwin was able to use his theory to predict species that had not yet been discovered. Third of all, all of the fossil evidence we find correctly fits into that theory, and is successfully carbonated with where it should be within the theory. Fourth of all, we can (and have) successfully tested the theory with bacteria, fruit flies, rats and birds. May I ask what evidence is lacking…? What would you like to see? Given that (I assume) you have an open mind, that you would very much like to believe things that are true, what is the bar that would be needed to convince you that it is real?

James Smith
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I see you’ve been trained quite well to believe junk sicence and how to copy and paste. Your the kind of people we need to do the meaningless tasks. But the only thing you have proven is you don’t have a thought of your own. Teslas would be ashamed of you.

N Lamar Soutter
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The vestigial tail! The cocsis, That piece of bone that sticks up at the bottom of your spine – right above your butt. Can’t believe I forgot about that… That bone used to be a tale – in fact, some people are still born with tails – what Darwin would call “the stamp of our lowly origins”. Not proof, per se, but certainly persuasive. As is our fear of heights – would be completely irrelevant and unnecessary to human beings unless at some point our ancestors were in trees

N Lamar Soutter
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James Smith Don’t have a thought of my own? Everything I have cut and pasted is my own work. Now… If you think science is junk, why is it it’s accomplished more in 300 years then humankind accomplished in the 10,000 years before science?

James Smith
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That’s what you think . The Romans where doing sergery and when Rome fell all that knowledge disappeared with them. Sicence you to believe the earth was flat. And they use to say the expansion of the universe was slowing down now they say it’s speeding up and Darwin that you worship was a Christian. And now there is DNA proof ” not theroy” that we didn’t come from primemates. And there has been many theroy that have been proven wrong. I only deal with facts not some made up theroy by some over educated self centered nitwit that doesn’t know more about what going on in this time or universe than a ant.

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Well… Yes, Rome was doing surgery, and we discovered that the Earth was round over 2000 years ago… Darwin was Christian, but I’m not entirely sure the point of that. We double human knowledge every 11 months, thanks to the power of the modern computer. I stand by my statement – which is eminently defensible – we’ve made more progress in the last 300 years than the 10,000 before that. Life expectancy has doubled, infant mortality has dropped by two orders of magnitude, we’ve put a man on the moon, discovered germ theory, atomic theory, relativity, quantum mechanics… The Romans, Greeks, and Arabs all made marvelous advances, but the scientific method dwarfs all of them.But thank you for your contribution.

George Cork
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But…but….the earth is 5000 years old….

James Smith
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First time is made up by man second so is the calendar you don’t even know what year it is or what time it is and George Cork the only thing you’ve pointed out is how stupid you really are by making a assumption about me. Man doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground for what is really going on.

N Lamar Soutter
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I am having visions of young earth creationists sharing this article to all of their friends, their friends actually reading it, and the utter scandal that must immediately follow. This is almost like an early Christmas present…

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I have to know… Are the people who are sharing this article… Do they actually think this article is in support of creationism? Have any of them read the article? Of the 10 comments so far… Has anyone actually read this article? This has to be one of the most fascinating studies I’ve ever seen – and I didn’t even mean to do it. People are refuting the title of the article, not the contents – because they didn’t even bother to read it.… Actually, this is quite hysterical…

Gary Smith
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Man didn’t descend from monkeys. Monkeys and man descended from a common ancestor.

John Roman
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Ayy someone not fucking dense and close minded on this post

N Lamar Soutter
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Gary Smith Thank you for reading the post…

N Lamar Soutter
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Someone will have to find a way to explain to me how to post individual elements of this Codex in such a way that people will read them before commenting. It is painfully obvious less than half of these commenters read even the first paragraph. And while I understand people are naturally drawing conclusions from the title, everyone who is drawn a conclusion on it has been wrong.Again, I’m not entirely unsympathetic – the title would appear to be extremely misleading… But the first line and the text of the post should clarify… *sigh*

N Lamar Soutter
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John Roman Someone not close minded on this post? I’m curious, would that include the author? Are you open-minded or close minded? If open-minded, then can I assume you read the post?

Mike Evans
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Cause they were smart enough,not to follow what we humans do

John Derry
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If Trump won why are there still democrats

N Lamar Soutter
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Because he hasn’t started the internment camps yet.

Bruce Mundy
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Reach around and touch the top of your ass.. feel the bump? It’s where the tail used to be

N Lamar Soutter
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Indeed…

N Lamar Soutter
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Further, some people are still born with tails – and in extremely rare cases can actually control them.

N Lamar Soutter
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Actually… I can’t believe I Never thought of that… I’m writing a piece right now on evidence for evolution… Just argued with someone else who said there was none… I came up with five solid pieces, but you have given me a sixth. Thank you.Yet another stamp of our lowly origins…

N Lamar Soutter
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Just out of curiosity… Did you know that science has discovered the purpose of the appendix? Do you know what it is? It is actually not vestigial, it serves a purpose. Amazing that science is still learning things about the human body…

George Cork
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If God exists, why are people stupid? And why is Satan just weeks away from sitting in the white house?

Julie Brown
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YOUR a Hillary voter aren’t you

James D. Jarvis
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Run Julie there are grammar-nazis out there and you’re bound to have them confront you on your your.

George Cork
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And you are not. And you need have no doubt as to my opinion of you.

Gary Smith
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Idiot. God kept Satan out of the White House.

N Lamar Soutter
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Donald Trump is what brought me to God. I was a strong atheist for many, many years. But Donald Trump is most certainly the antichrist ( that’s why his hair is the way it is – they cut the 666 of his scalp). And if there is an antichrist, there is a God. It’s a personal theory, mind you… But it best fits the evidence I’ve seen so far.

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I have to say, too, that if Satan did in fact exist, I have to believe he would be far more clever than Donald Trump (I’m sorry… My readers have compelled me by online vote to call him “pussy grabber in chief” – the in chief part is extremely important, I want to make it clear that I respect the results of the election). No, he most certainly is not Satan. I can’t guarantee he’s not going to start World War III, however. Taiwan is an existential threat to China which – he is correct – it is and should be a bargaining chip, but he is unaware has already been bargained for. He probably cost Taiwan their very existence. China was, as much as anything, doing us a favor looking the other way. Because they will invade. And while I very much would like to see a one state solution in the Middle East, it is not going to happen. It is impractical, and what I want is completely immaterial. The only solution is a two state solution, and failure to recognize that dramatically increases the chance of a nuclear war in the Middle East (which brings me back to my antichrist theory). But I have to believe Satan would be far less transparent in his lunacy than this…

George Cork
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Ok, but I still think Trump is a detestable ape.

N Lamar Soutter
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George Cork Agreed! 🙂

N Lamar Soutter
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George Cork Tell you what… As long as you don’t mind just a little swearing… You may enjoy this piece.: https://www.facebook.com/nicholaslamarsoutter/posts/476268872558262

Julie Brown
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James you can kiss my ass

Julie Brown
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And Lamar, you can not believe in GOD. And not Satan Read The Bible

N Lamar Soutter
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Julie Brown Where did I say (seriously) that I believe in God, but do not believe in Satan? Either you are reading the wrong, or I misspoke.

N Lamar Soutter
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Julie Brown I am not a theologian… However, “You can kiss my ass” Does not strike me as “love your enemy as your self”… Perhaps we could both do a better job of reading the Bible?

James D. Jarvis
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Julie Brown . really … I must decline the offer as I am faithfully married and as such that activity would be a violation of my marriage vows and the trust between my spouse and I.

William Cutlip
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Because monkeys still cling to their religion, and are unable to evolve.

N Lamar Soutter
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My favorite comment of the week…

Lee Fitzgerald
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Primates are evolving but not at the same rate, at one time 7 different true races lived on earth at the same

N Lamar Soutter
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That is absolutely not why. No scientist in human history has ever said that the reason there are still monkeys is because, despite being our ancestors, they did not evolve at the same rate.

Lee Fitzgerald
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You’re right I didn’t read article until you clarified , but it’s true science danced around the subject

N Lamar Soutter
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Obviously I need to work on my branding. This is from a series of refutations – fallacies. Therefore the title is the argument that is being refuted. Extraordinarily counterintuitive… I’m going to have to figure out how to get it so people can actually tell the gist of the article by reading the title. There is actually no easy answer to that one… I am curious, how did science dance around the subject?

Lee Fitzgerald
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Someone or something tweeked us a little

Tom McCray
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EXACTLY!

N Lamar Soutter
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I’m curious if you read the piece… Or are simply agreeing with the title?